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Thursday, March 11, 2010

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Allison Read

The best thing I did today was to read the actual legal documents posted on the Index-Journal website. That, more than anything else, helped me to understand more details about this whole situation. I am certainly proud of Erskine for standing up for itself -- though I wish there was something more I could do. I did send in a letter (it was even quoted in a recent article, much to my surprise). I'm not entirely sure what else to say except that I don't think I've ever been more personally outraged at the ignorance, gall (or lack thereof, depending on how you look at it), and just plain stupidity of an organization. As an information professional and strong believer in academic/intellectual freedom, I am quite passionate about this type of situation, and especially so in this case because Erskine is my much treasured alma mater.
And thank you, dear Captain, for speaking out, standing up, and maintaining this blog. I wouldn't expect anything less.

Eric Williamson '03

I graduated Erskine in 2003. The four years I spent there, more than any other time in my life, shaped the man I am today. The greatest lesson I learned there was to think. To see these people trying to "save" Erskine from the free and rational exchange of ideas shames me. Thank God I went on to get a Masters degree from MUSC--I was a double major in Chemistry and Biology, back when Erskine had a reputation for academic rigor in the sciences. If these "saints" have their way, my diploma will be worth less than the custom frame it's hanging in.

Throught my time at Erskine, I was always willing (but never asked) to help out with recruiting weekends. Hanging around for those weekends, I started to notice a change in the attitudes of the kids wanting to come to Erskine. There was a decided difference between my class and the classes of '05 and '06. We saw the changes in the tone of classroom discussions as these youngers classes came in. My friends and I always suspected something like the current situation would go down.

I'm honestly shocked and proud that the school and the alumni are standing up to the Synod. Frankly, I didn't think the school had the spine.

When I graduated, I said I would never give another dime to Erskine if they kept going down the path to being the ARP Bob Jones. Now, though, if Erskine needs money for the legal fees, they can count on at least one alumnus to donate. It's the least I can do to save the first place I ever felt at home from those who would "save" it.

Andrew Barnes

You must have forgotten the Biblical command about all of this:

1 Corinthians 6:1-8, "Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints? Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life? So if you have law courts dealing with matters of this life, do you appoint them as judges who are of no account in the church? I say this to your shame Is it so, that there is not among you one wise man who will be able to decide between his brethren, but brother goes to law with brother, and that before unbelievers? Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren."

Besides lawsuits, there are other means to make your voice heard and things to be changed. If you are part of the ARP, which you better be for this to be a great concern to you, you can file a complaint about the action that was taken at the called meeting of General Synod...

Ishmael

Golly, you’re right, Andrew. I totally forgot. Thanks for the heads-up.

Who are you again?

Andrew Barnes

I am an innocent bystander (minister in the PCA).

Ishmael

Andrew — there are no innocent bystanders, lol.

What is your interest in our Big-Endian/Little-Endian skirmish?

Andrew Barnes

I care about a sister denomination and a school where people, ministers especially, are trained/schooled.

Ishmael

Admirable motives. Welcome.

The ministers are trained at the seminary, of course. I’m writing from the college side. I’m assuming that you’re interested in gathering as many facts as you can before reaching a conclusion about the various claims we’re all flinging around.

Andrew Barnes

I am not in a place to evaluate claims. I, however, know it is wrong for Christians to sue other Christians or their church. How can you justify it?

Al Brady

I guess that means that "Christian" attorneys never sue.

Wonder if the attorneys on the commission have never sued anyone?

The entire legal system must be in contravention of the Bible.

Hmmmmm!

Andrew Barnes

Christians never sue Christians, Al.

Ishmael

Andrew — You say you know that “it is wrong for Christians to sue other Christians or their church. How can you justify it?“

I don’t need to justify it. I know no such thing. I know that Paul tells that to the church in Corinth; so I guess you’re saying that because Paul says it, it is, well, not law exactly, but a rule or a principle or something that must be obeyed.

I would argue that you *believe* it is wrong for Christians to sue Christians. I don’t believe it is wrong.

Andrew Barnes

I hope you believe Moses was a better man than Paul.

Ishmael

“I hope you believe Moses was a better man than Paul.“

[blinking at non sequitur]
Should I? Actually the question has never come up/

Emily Craig

I've seen this verse regarding Christians suing other Christians tossed about quite a bit in recent days. Why has nobody mentioned I Peter 2:13-17? Verse 13 begins "Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men." It seems to me that these members of the Synod who instigated this growing mess did not follow this scripture. There were rules set in place that govern the Synod, which they did not adhere to. I realize the obvious comment to follow this will be something along the lines of: "Well, Erskine should submit itself to the Synod." But should it? It has not been established that the Synod holds any dominion over Erskine except in regards to appointing (not firing!) board members. I've read the legal documents and passed them along to my lawyer father and judge grandfather who are in agreement with me.

I think that a small faction of people have really done a number on the school I love and in the denomination I belong to. It breaks my heart. No matter what happens, MY school and MY church will not be the same. For shame.

Ishmael,

I was in your class in 2007. It was, unfortunately, the only class I was able to take with you, and it was the class where you came under attack most days from a couple of students who never took the time to listen. I found it horrible what a few were doing to you then, and I'm ashamed I didn't stand up against it. That is not the case this time around. I'm doing my best to stand up for the school and faculty who shaped my formative years. All the very best!!

Emily Campbell Craig
c/o 2008

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